not all refugees are muslim
france has a policy of assimilation not multi-culturalism, multi-faith is allowed so long as you align your self with 'french values and traditions' - see the hardscarf controversy for details
aslyum seekers get a rough time here, but the mere fact that something like the jungle nr sangatte can exist is testiment to the fact that asylum seekers are not better off in france than england.
plus there is a reason why they come here; FAMILY and LANGUAGE. many of the refugee nr snagatte do not speak french, many have friends and relatives in britain.
well meaning, but im affraid i think you are wrong

I think this is a great initiative with the way Britain is treating refugees at the moment I agree that they are better off in France. The French do in part have a policy of assimilation but that is changing. I appalud this idea and if I could I would join it

This action does not have the approval of No Borders and you should have checked with us before setting it up.

The situaiton in the UK may well be bad right now but that is not the point we need to encourage as many people as possible to come to England as we can to force the political process. If we see you at the camp in France we will be stopping you doing this.

...anyone with knowledge of the situation of "sans papiers" in france would not be encouraging them to go there,

the comment sounds suspicously authoritarian for anyone that i work with in the network... no matter what we make think of the dubious proposal on the newswire...there is no "asa" on the web by the way.

Greg,

A very interesting approach and one that I had not fully considered before I read this. When I think of the way the UK is going right now with the move to constant CCTV, repressive anti-protest policing, the rise of the BNP and other problems I agree with you that probably that the best we can offer those who are fleeing warfare and discrimination is to help them settle somewhere else.
I did hear of an organisation who did this in partnership with a Dutch asylum seeker group to encourage staying in the Netherlands, are you involved with them ?

I am unable to join you in June but offer solidarity and moral support, please do post again when the trip is over to let us all know how it went.

Ian - Protest Action

I think the comment from somebody claiming to represent No Borders is not representitive of that organisation but for the record we reject suggestions that we need anybody's permission or support to do this.

We do not have a website, we don't need one and don't intend to have one. We don't ask for donations, we don't speak to the MSM, we don't seek approval to do what we do. I have published my email for those that want to be involved if you don't that's fine then ignore us. None of that changes what we will do and are doing now.

The refugee situation in Europe is at crises point and these people deserve a better life and opportunity, they will not be getting that under the current system in Britain. France offers them a new start away from the racists that have growing control in this country, the police who are now just the states bully boys and impending financial collapse. France is a stable country with a tradition of political activism way ahead of ours, strong trade unions and a socail welfare and health system superior in every way. Yes the English language is a factor for some but French is a language easily learnt in the same way that English is.

If you want to join us then we will be happy to welcome you, if you just want to write critical comment on Indymedia then we will ignore you, we are interested in the needs of those waiting to rebuild their lives not political point scoring.

"anyone with knowledge of the situation of "sans papiers" in france would not be encouraging them to go there, "

They are not encouraging them to go there, they are already there.


Good proposal Gregg, I wish you the best of luck, good to see real action being reported on Indymedia rather than just another 500 word blog repost.

....another non-exsistent group. admin -sort this out?

RESPECT Refugiados has followed this approach for ten years, encouraging refugess to claim asylum as soon as they enter the EU and then to build a life in that country. In Spain we have helped nearly 72,000 people to establish a new life in Spain and get off the never ending road to England.

We wish you the very best of luck with your work



RESPECT Refugiados
Rambla Prim 124, 11-2
08019 Barcelona

Well we are sorry you haven't heard of Protest Action. I realise that of course for some on Indymedia a web search is the be and end all of political research but for those of us born before Mr Berners-Lee had his great idea that is not the case.

Protest Action was formed in 1954 and had its roots in the Aldermaston protests. Today we operate in London as a loose collective of like minded thinkers who seek to influence the next generation via a newsletter sent to teachers. We are small and we like that. We will try to carry on now we now that you haven't heard of us :-)

its illegal to give food and shelter to migrants in france...is this what you call "progressive" ? what about the banileu riotsHaving visted calais myself recently, and witnessed "san papiers" being hassled by the CRS - french riot cops - i can't say that the authorities attitude differs to that in britain. This is a pan-european policy - Fortress Europe - if you think that you are helping the situation by doing the british immigration services' job for them, then you are either politcally naive, or a dupe for the bnp... if you are genuine, then why don't you campaign for the improve of migrant rights in the UK instead ?

What's the difference between an illegal immigrant and any other member of society? As the photographs on these pages remind us, just a few pieces of paper. As the French government attempts to demonise and drive out the so-called sans-papiers, Lizzy Davies meets the men and women who are fighting back

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The crossroads in central Paris where the rue de Bretagne meets the rue Charlot has everything you would expect of a smart shopping area in the Marais. There are quaint patisseries, swish sushi bars and spotless antiques stores with chandeliers and polished chrome lamps. There is a Greek delicatessen, an antiquarian bookshop and a designer clothes boutique whose pouting mannequins rotate in the window until late in the night.

On one of the walls, however, round the corner from the family-run cheese shop and opposite a trendy pavement cafe with a neon pink ceiling, is a sight that jars with this most chic of scenes. Plastered over the roadside is a scruffy poster display, covered in parts by crudely typed flyers for workers' protests and general strikes.

What looks from afar to be a mass of identical images reveals itself on closer inspection to be hundreds of separate portraits, all arranged block-like, row upon row. A woman in striking blue eyeliner and perfectly drawn lips clasps hands with a man in a sports jacket. An elderly lady with a mass of white hair poses with her baseball cap-wearing partner. One man rests his head on the shoulder next to him; another holds a toddler in his arms. Their subjects are of all ages and all colours, but the posters have one feature in common: in the centre of each is a passport or driving licence or blue-and-white identity card showing that one of the people posing is officially recognised by the Republique Française. The other is there illegally, as a sans-papiers or undocumented worker. Individually the pictures are charming but forgettable. Together, they are powerful, and demand to be noticed. And that, of course, is exactly the point.

The man who has chosen to record these people's lives is Fabien Breuvart, a 46-year-old photographer who feels he has a responsibility to support the sans-papiers in any way he can. Every lunchtime from the beginning of May to mid-July he locked the doors of his little shop and took his tripod down the rue Charlot to the Bourse du Travail, a labour exchange that has been occupied for four months by around 1,300 sans-papiers: men, women and children. There, in front of the dilapidated entrance, he took photos of the workers alongside documented members of the public who had come to show solidarity. So far there are 509 pictures, but there will soon be more - all of them aiming to show that, as their creator says, "the only difference between these two people is a piece of paper".

Breuvart, who in true French style took a break for the long and sepulchral Parisian summer, is about to restart his project, called Vas-y, montre ta carte! (Go on, show your card!), and he does not want to stop until the occupation is over and all the workers at the council are regularised. "It is an artist's duty to speak out," he explains over a coffee and cigarette in the Enfants Rouges market next to his studio-cum-shop. "I am not a militant but I am someone with quite a strong political nature; it disturbs me that certain things are the way they are. For me, as a citizen and a photographer, it was simple: I had to do it."

The battle of the sans-papiers to be regularised by the state has become a burning issue in France this year. There are, according to official estimates, between 200,000 and 400,000 undocumented workers in the country, 60,000 to 80,000 of them in Paris. According to the Confédération Générale du Travail, the second-largest French union, most are in full-time work - as cleaners, caterers, carers, nannies, waiters. But, although many pay taxes and charges for social benefits, including health insurance, they cannot collect the benefits for fear of revealing their status. It is a life of perpetual anxiety, of constantly thinking the knock on the door is about to come. Without papers, the detention centre and deportation flight are only weeks away.

A chink of light appeared earlier this year when an amendment was passed allowing illegal workers to apply for permits if their employers could prove their economic value. Since then, thousands of illegal workers have held protests and gone on strike in order to gain recognition. From the genteel Paris Country Golf Club to McDonald's on the Champs Elysées, workers have been mounting an unprecedented attempt to enlist the support of their often reluctant bosses.

Breuvart became involved in the movement when he heard about the occupation of the Bourse du Travail by his friend Anzoumane Sissoko, who works as a street sweeper at the Enfant Rouges market. Sissoko, who came to France from Mali in 1993 and only got his papers a year ago despite working almost constantly since he arrived, chose the Bourse as the location of the occupation because of its symbolism as a place of fair treatment for all workers, not just the privileged few. When he is not cleaning the market floors or looking after his two small children, Sissoko is mostly to be found coordinating food and sleeping areas for the workers and encouraging those who are starting to lose hope. Keeping up morale is difficult: more than 1,000 applications for papers has been submitted but, so far, none of the workers have been regularised. "From them I learned the true meaning of the word patience," admits Breuvart.

In such a tough climate, the support of people like the photographer is crucial. Sissoko says that, without them, "we wouldn't be here today". Breuvart believes an absence of political leadership means that solidarity with the sans-papiers comes most frequently from concerned individuals. He notes with pleasure that many of the people who come to be photographed don't even bother to look at themselves once the picture has been developed. "They came as though they were voting," he says. "To them the picture wasn't important; it was the act itself."

The people posing in the pictures have tended to be "left-leaning, progressive types", according to Breuvart - the kind of people who are horrified by President Nicolas Sarkozy's tough immigration policies. When he came to power last year, this son of an immigrant introduced a new hardline strategy based on expulsion quotas that critics deemed at best arbitrary and at worst racist. Some 26,000 illegal workers are to be removed from France by the end of this year and the government says it is well on the way, with 14,660 illegal immigrants expelled in the first five months of the year - up 80% on the same period in 2007. This has prompted revulsion from many in France. On the walls of the Bourse alongside Breuvart's photographs are caricatures of the president grimacing beneath his now-famous remark to a member of the public who refused to shake his hand. "Casse-toi, pauvre con," (Sod off, jerk.)

Sarkozy's immigration policy is "utter nonsense," Breuvart says. "It's almost the politics of another age. In a globalised world where people can easily move countries in order to work, it seems to me to be outdated ... But, then again, people like Jean-Marie Le Pen have been doing the groundwork for years."

Sissoko is appalled by the government's reluctance to recognise parts of its illegal workforce regardless of length of time worked or the presence of family members in France. "The French have a debt to our countries [its former colonies in West Africa] and it must be paid," he says, squatting on a bag of rice in one of the rooms in the Bourse. Next door, three men are using a former office as a bedroom and trying to sleep on painfully thin mattresses. A child's toy, the stuffing trailing out of it, lies discarded on the floor. "This is modern slavery," he continues, gesturing outside to the throngs of people milling around in the courtyard. "These people want to work, they do work, but they are refused regularisation. They are still being exploited. In order to fight prejudice and destroy it once and for all, they must be regularised. Give them the right to move around freely. Give them the right to settle where they like, the right to marry who they like. If they do not have these freedoms, they are still slaves."

Thanks to the strikes and sustained media attention, regularisations for "valuable" workers in some parts of France have been trickling through this year, but progress has been slow. Groups supporting the sans-papiers would rather see a mass legalisation of the kind seen in Italy between 2003 and 2006, which gave papers to more than a million workers who could prove they had contracts. But that is exactly what Sarkozy - under pressure from within his own rightwing party, the UMP - does not want.

The temporary inhabitants of the Bourse have not stopped working. They cannot afford to. According to Sissoko, 80% of them pay taxes despite having no access to health insurance or other benefits. Most work in the jobs French people don't want: although France has one of the highest unemployment rates in Europe, the hotel and restaurant industries say they have 35,000 to 40,000 vacancies. Those most willing to work long hours in monotonous roles for the minimum wage tend to be the sans-papiers. They are people like Zoubida, 39, who speaks perfect French and has worked "cleaning rich people's houses" ever since she arrived but whose application for papers has been rejected. Or Ouda, an Algerian child-minder whose bid for regularisation was turned down despite the best efforts of the family that employs her. One woman, a 53-year-old from Ivory Coast who did not want to give her name, came to France simply to be with her partner, who works legally in Paris. But her repeated attempts at regularisation have been knocked back despite her being here for eight years. "It's not dignified," she said, sitting in the courtyard of the Bourse. "We are not delinquents. We want to escape this life to be able to live here with dignity like everyone else. For a country like France, it's not good."

The idea of "a country like France" is uttered frequently by the sans-papiers and those who are fighting their cause. For Breuvart, the idea of a country that is "strong and generous" and a leading proponent of human rights has been lost in recent years. In a survey conducted two years ago by the National Human Rights Commission, one-third of those questioned said they held racist views. "I don't think this is a very good time right now," he says, running a hand through a mop of grey hair. "It's about what it means to be French, and I think that politicians have forgotten the reality of French culture, a France that knew how to welcome people, that knew how to make people work together, that knew how to assimilate."

For Sissoko too, who spent three spells in Paris's grim detention centres during his epic battle for regularisation, the words of France's national motto can be taken with a pinch of salt. "Liberty, equality, fraternity - it's not that nowadays," he declares, speaking with such anger he is almost shouting. "We have no liberty. There is inequality everywhere. And there is no fraternity. Fraternity means that you share what you have with others, and today it's the other way round. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer."

Yet most sans-papiers remain deeply attached to France and its notions - however unrealistic - of freedom and brotherhood. As Sissoko speaks, a familiar tune drifts in from the courtyard. It is the Marseillaise, played to mark the solemn return of the bodies of 10 soldiers killed in Afghanistan. All around the clapped-out television set sit dozens of men, their eyes fixed on Sarkozy as he makes his address to the nation. Then there is silence. No one speaks. Though they dislike the president's politics, they will not disrupt his tribute to the fallen. "We chose to come to France," says one after the ceremony, "so it is natural that we are shocked by this tragedy. Even if we don't have papers, if France hurts, we hurt too".

Well Gregg this is one of those actions that is going to divide Indymedia readers right down the middle, you can expect a lot of critical comment. The No Borders people will just hate what you are doing on principle I'm afraid but considering the migrant / asylum / refugee situation in the round I can see merit in the ideas of your group.

I lived in France up until two years ago and once away from the Calais area the life of an asylum seeker in France is probably better than one in England, Scotland or Wales, the French do offer better medical and benefit support but the French language is the only language they accept. For those from French speaking countries that were part of the French Colonial areas this is fine but challenging for others however they do provide free language classes for newcomers and the attitude of the French people is generally more welcoming than that of the Brits. ( I speak as a Canadian).

As another poster said please do a follow up post with how it all went.

Well that seems to confirm what Greg and his group are saying, yes it's bad in France but it's a fuck sites worse in Britain. I don;t think any European country can claim it has a good record on this issue but the French (perhaps because of their history) do seem to be trying to do the right thing just not fast enough. UK on the other hand is a disgrace in the way it treats migrants and we should all be ashamed. I think this is an issue that calls for a trans european approach helping people as soon as they arrive in Europe not just pushing them on to the next country to give somebody the problem. Encouraging people to stay put seems sensible at the moment, help them where they are, help them build a stable life with support and money as they need it but paid for by all European governments.

the european parliament has just passed legislation allowing them to hold "illegal" migrants for up to 18 months. this covers the whole of europe, except the uk and ireland.

"This action does not have the approval of No Borders and you should have checked with us before setting it up."

Oh piss off.

No Borders isn't the only group in the world working with migrants (or, even, the oldest.) Nobody owes you a consultation before taking action - if anything, this kind of attitude is likely to make people less willing to work with you, as it reeks of arrogance if nothing else.

The words "chip" and "shoulder" come to mind.

That said, I've yet to see any evidence the situation for migrants in France is any better than that in the UK (i.e. dismal.)

totally agree with skeptic above.

I guess that most people with a no borders position will be suspicious of this kind of action - where charity work assumes a political nature - out of principle: the principle of freedom of movement. Instead of accepting that the UK Home Office approach is working - i.e. treat refugees like shit so they'll stop coming - No Borders asserts the right for ALL people to move without authoritarian restrictions.

i don't feel this suggests we'd promote the inverse (like one of no borders above suggests).

Such an initiative by ASA - whether it's real or just indymedia trolling - does put some interesting questions ahead of the No Borders camp in Calais though: How do we avoid doing the Border Agency's work for them without pretending the UK is some kind of Eldorado? How do we avoid being seen as human rights campaigners when the focus is so much on the refugees in Calais rather than the existence of the border for everyone per se?

i agree this needs a "trans-european" response, hence the no borders campS in calais, and lesvos.

no one in no borders is going to lie to migrants and its a great idea to come to the uk. however, the ASA approach seem both mistaken (and unecesscary as the UNHCR and the IOM are doing all they can to get migrants out of calais).

anti-migrant policies are being harmonised across europe - with detention now extended to 18 months (see evo morales article below).




Until the end of the second world war Europe was a continent of emigrants. Millions left for the Americas: some to colonise, others to escape hunger, financial crises, persecution, ethnic cleansing, war or totalitarian governments.

European citizens arrived in Latin and North America en masse, without visas or conditions imposed on them by the authorities. They were simply welcomed, and continue to be in Latin America. They came to exploit the natural wealth and to transfer it to Europe, with a high cost for the native population. Yet the people, property and rights of the migrants were always respected.

Contrast the European "return directive", to be voted on in the European parliament this week. It imposes harsh terms for detention and deportation of undocumented immigrants, regardless of the time they have spent in European countries, their work situation, their family ties or their achievements in integrating themselves into local society.

The EU is now the main destination for migrants around the world, because of its positive image of space, prosperity and public freedom. The great majority of migrants contribute to, rather than exploit, this prosperity.

They are employed in public works, construction, cleaning, hospitals and domestic work. They take the jobs the Europeans cannot or will not do. Maintaining the relationship between the employed and the retired by providing generous income to the social security system, the migrant offers a solution to demographic and financial problems in the EU.

For us, our emigrants represent help in development that Europeans do not give us (few countries reach the minimum objective of 0.7% of GDP in development assistance). Latin America received, in 2006, a total of $68bn sent back from abroad, more than the total foreign investment in our countries. My country, Bolivia, received more than 10% of its GDP in such remittances.

Unfortunately, the return directive is a huge infringement of the human rights of our Latin American friends. It proposes jailing undocumented immigrants for up to 18 months before their expulsion. Mothers with children could be arrested, without regard to family and school, and put in detention centres, where we know depression, hunger strikes and suicides happen. How can we accept it?

At the same time, the EU is trying to convince the Andean Community of Nations (Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador and Peru) to sign an "association agreement" that includes a free trade agreement of a similar nature to that imposed by the US. We are under intense pressure to accept demands for liberalisation of our trade, financial services, intellectual property rights and public works. Under so-called "judicial protection" we are being pressured to denationalise water, gas and telecommunications. Where is the "judicial protection" for our people seeking new horizons in Europe?

If the return directive becomes law, we will not be morally able to deepen negotiations with the EU, and we reserve the right to legislate so European citizens have the same obligations for visas that Europe imposes on the Bolivians, according to the diplomatic principle of reciprocity.

The social cohesion problems that Europe is suffering now are not the fault of migrants, but the result of the model of development imposed by the north, which destroys the planet and dismembers human societies. I appeal to European leaders to drop this directive and instead form a migration policy that respects human rights, and allows us to maintain the movement of people that helps both continents.

· Evo Morales Ayma is the president of the Republic of Bolivia presidencia.gov.bo

i doubt whether the post demanding that the real or non-real ASA should have consulted no borders before acting was genuine, in any case, the idea that we, as no borders should/would demand to be consulted before any action re: refugees (whether we agreed with it or not) would be laughable to most of the network.

I also apologise for the authoritarian tone of the previous (one of no borders) poster and whoever posted as (bristolnoborders) is correct we don't operate like that but neither can they speak for “us” either. I suspect that anger and dismay at these proposed actions are common for our network but I speak only in a personal capacity.

Here are a few of the reasons I am dismayed at this article and proposed action,

1.As has already been stated, I am not convinced that these organisations exist in any meaningful form, and since when have obscure organisations in Barcelona been avidly watching UK IMC?

2.IT IS EU POLICY to force people to claim asylum in their so called “country of entry” this group would be merely assisting that process..

3.The International Organisation for Migration (the intra governmental body managing migration for the benefit of capital) is on the ground in the pays de Calais region encouraging migrants to “give up” in their attempt to move to Britain. (they are documented and resisted by brave activists)

4.I (along with all of the No borders network) believe in “freedom of movement for all”, it is not for me or any one else to determine whether an individual would be better of in France, Britain or the moon.

5.There are countless organisations in the pays de calais region carrying out the essential task of feeding the people their who are living in a “humanitarian crisis” with out passing judgement on them

6.France very nearly voted in The Front National (that's fascists to you and me) only swinging to Sarcozy because he out tough talked the far right (famously describing the, mainly non white, bounlouis youth, as scum, the “scum”famously burnt a lot of cars in response and fought off his racist cops)

7.We will be in Calais June 23-29 not further to close down the border as “ASA” wish to do but to open it up.

8.I quite like Britain, one of the main reasons I like it is its diversity could you explain why you wish to prevent that (I am willing myself not to assume that it is latent racism please convince me otherwise).

“Gregg” please respond I hope you are simply misinformed not something more sinister.

Rob from Bristol No borders.

OK I understand that there are some who do not agree with our approach. That's fine I support the right for anybody to disgaree with me. What I do not support is an obligation to explain the principles of our group to you.

We have set out what we are doing now, what we are going to be doing in two weeks in Calais and what we think is the the right way to help those stuck in the system. If you disagree with us so be it. I can think of no polite way of saying it so I will just say it -

We Do Not Care What You Think Of US.

We are focused on helping refugees, Britain is not a better country to live compared to France so we are going to help them stay and build a life in France. If you want to do something else then do it but do not waste your time telling us about it.

I will not be posting again until we ahve returned from France when I will be giving a rundown of what happened. Feel free to write as many negative commenys as you like, we will not be reaidng them, we have more important things to do.

Nice one Gregg, exactly the right response.


Too many groups now think they own the right to dictate to to others how an issue or problem should be dealt with. I can't decide if your approach is the right one or if No Borders have got it right but I admire the stance you have taken of ignoring those whose idea of progressive activism is to post to Indymedia. Keep it up.

...because their policy has been to do what you are doing: discouraging migrants from entering britain. however, since they have largely failed i don''t think you have much chance.

also, i hope you have been in touch with the humanitarian groups who have been working on the ground in calais week in-week out offering food and welfare (ILLEGALLY) for the last few years - you might cause a feeling of mistrust towards the established groups like "salaam" if you start issuing advice that they should give up trying to enter the uk whilst offering food etc their possible hostilty and mistrust that your ideas may engender could mistakenly be transferred to them.

many of the people who responded to greg's original posting have been working their arses off on a whole range of migrant issues - from workers solidarity, language courses and other direct action.

Surely you can see why what you're doing is controversial?

No you don't have to explain anything to anyone...but if you wish to garner support then obviously you do.

Your approach would be applauded by the BNP.

Surely the best approach is to educate immigrants as to the current situation in the UK, France, and other countries, then support them to settle wherever they decide?

By telling them which country is "best" etc, you're applying your values to their lives.

Keep them informed, educated, etc by all means, but the moment you start telling them what to do then you're on dodgy ground.

>>>> The situaiton in the UK may well be bad right now but that is not the point we need to encourage as many people as possible to come to England as we can to force the political process. If we see you at the camp in France we will be stopping you doing this.

----> Encourage as many people to come to England as we can ???????????

WHY??????? Why not encourage them to go where they WANT?
You are so obviously trying to proof some political point and are picking on poor old England to try and illustrate it, whilst neglecting to give a hoot about actual people. Its sounds more like some numbers game to me: "Get as many people into the UK so that we can....."
f-off

@ whoever... looking back I realise I might have appeared to be the poster [one of no borders] I am not. I was apologising to whoever might have got funny ideas about No Borders people from their postings. We aint like that (onest guv)

@ Gregg.... I'm intrigued to see that the moment I ask some quite rational questions that might challenge your motives you stamp your feet and sqweeel im not talking to you! I had previously held out that you were simply misinformed rather than malicious, my patience is wearing thin. Please tell me why you don't wish to share our beautiful island with other people?

@Fcuk to all bosses... I am not “dictating a response to all issues” I'm a speaking as an individual who is part of an autonomous network, the very opposite of a dictatorship. I raised some queries about ”Gregg”'s motives, he has chosen to ignore me and others, who is the dictator here?

@Fcuk to all bosses... I have not just been “sniping at people on indymedia”, I have been attempting to engage in a political discussion about a suggested action that I find offensive. I have not been sniping......
this is sniping........
witeing wongly witten wude words on indymedia does not make you look hard it makes you look a like a fucking prick!

@skeptic cheers mate aint it funny how none of the pro borders people on this thread can actually rationalise their anti freedom position?

@Not in No Borders but support their work...... again (obviously) cheers join us my friend your time is now!

@max.... I can only assume that you came trolling across from some place Right over in the nether regions and haven't actually read this thread.. though I also disagree with the tone of the poster [one of no borders] I certainly don't have a problem with them trying to “proof some political point” . That's because debate is what its were all about over here on the left.

Blimey late night response i'll probably regret tomorrow.

Anyway do respond “Gregg” and all your friends........

Well it looks as though No Borders certainly gains by having a member of the IMC Editorial Collective. Somebody went into these posts and edited Greggs email to one that does not exist and then used that as justification for hiding the posts.

Did you not realise that those of us who know Gregg would recognise what you had done ?

Poor Indymedia very poor.

Well it looks as though No Borders certainly gains by having a member of the IMC Editorial Collective. Somebody went into these posts and edited Greggs email to one that does not exist and then used that as justification for hiding the posts.

Did you not realise that those of us who know Gregg would recognise what you had done ?

Poor Indymedia very poor.